nline group of tech and philosophy nerds dedicated to improving the world through logical thinking and deeply concerned with whether artificial intelligence will overtake the world and destroy humanity.
Over the years, the Rationalist movement has counted Peter Thiel and Sam Bankman-Fried among its community, and has influenced numerous figures, including Elon Musk, Sam Altman, Steven Pinker and Nate Silver. Perhaps more significant, for the tech workers building the A.I. tools that will undergird our world, Rationalism is something like a fraternity, and a shared language.
Sucked in? Want to read more? No, me neither, really.
Ziz, who is transgender, started as a typical Rationalist — a geeky optimist hoping to save the world — but turned toward an ultraradical strain of the philosophy. She wrote favorably of violence, said she was willing to sacrifice everything to achieve her goals and considered A.I.’s threat to humanity “the most important problem in the world,” she once wrote. Now six people are dead, landing her and several friends and allies, known as the “Zizians,” in jail, awaiting trial. Many Rationalists worry that their community will be tinged by association with a group that, while not convicted of anything, has been compared in the press to the Manson family.
Actually, the article gives a pretty good insight into the melding of trans identification and extreme narcissism. This death cult was full of trans people who thought they were sacred and “illegible” pic.twitter.com/rOTfy3PQ4J
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“We called them ‘the incomprehensible cluster,’” said Ozy Brennan, a Rationalist writer. In one Discord exchange, members of the group insisted on using Discord handles composed of symbols rather than alphanumeric characters. When moderators objected, the group accused them of transphobia.
“They’re like, ‘You are forcing us into legibility, and trans people are illegible, and this is an important expression of my identity,’” said Brennan, who is trans nonbinary. This view dovetailed with their belief that transgender women have a distinct neurotype that is particularly good at A.I. safety research, according to Brennan.
"Who is trans nonbinary". Who claims to be trans nonbinary. Who is a ten-foot-tall rabbit called Hector. Who claims to be a ten-foot-tall rabbit called Hector. But this is the NYT.
Anyway – people get killed. It's a cult.
A very American tale.
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